Does God have a God?
May 26, 2019 6:43:28 GMT -5
Post by Radrook Admin on May 26, 2019 6:43:28 GMT -5
Does God have a God?
Some might be wondering where this strange idea comes from. The answer is that it comes from the Bible itself. Here is Jesus speaking after he was resurrected and back in heaven:
Rev 3: 12
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.
Four times he tells us that he has a God!
www.christianforums.com/threads/did-jesus-worship-god-after-going-to-heaven.7963483/page-3
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.
Four times he tells us that he has a God!
www.christianforums.com/threads/did-jesus-worship-god-after-going-to-heaven.7963483/page-3
But even before he he ascended to heaven, he had called his Father his God.
John 20: 17
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
I have come across the idea that he is forever man and that is the part of him which worships the Father as God. However, if we insist that Jesus as a son of God is God himself, as Trinitarians claim, then it really makes no difference since it just comes down to God the almighty worships an almighty God who is also his Father as God. Which of course I would have absolutely no problem with if I encountered that situation if and when resurrected to heaven. The question is why the aversion to the concept itself when the Bible itself uis the one that proposes it?
Indisputable fact 1: Jesus said he has a God.
Indisputable fact 2. Trinitarians say Jesus is God
Indisputable fact 3. Within those parameters then God has a God.
The only way to avoid that conclusion is to change the Trinitarian parameters-something which I am 100% sure you are unwilling to attempt.
Yet the Apostle Paul said that only the Father is God. He called Jesus a MEDIATOR BETWEEN God and men. If he is God that mediation becomes nonsensical.
1 Corinthians 8:6
But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.
1 Tim 2: 5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
The clarity of the scripture cited above becomes unclear only if the reader performs very serious semantic, contortionist gymnastics with the text. For example, ignoring the conjunction "and" which means plus or in addition to, and mangling the meaning of "between" so that it no longer conveys betwixt in an effort to force it to say the opposite of what it clearly tells says.
Devaluation?
Trinitarians think that those who do not agree that Jesus is God himself devalue Jesus. However, there is no devaluation whatsoever since Jesus never cliamed that he is God. In fact, he strongly objected to such kinds of thoughts as is clear by his response to someone who called him good.
Luke 18:19
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.